From jefyoung@pawl.rpi.edu Sat Dec 9 04:25:14 1989 From: jefyoung@pawl.rpi.edu (Jeffrey Young) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Interconnectedness Date: 7 Dec 89 15:38:36 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Status: O The Unicorn they call Taldin stands, walks up to Edmund, and stands before him. He rears up, dark blue mane flaring white with silver, and places his forehooves squarely on Edmund's shoulders. The 'corn looks straight into his eyes, and speaks. "Not everyone has a personal space, my friend, not everyone is wary of those they do not know. I am one such, who trusts as you trust, who believes in fast acquaintances and strong friendships. 'Course, it's always the opposite with me and others -- I try to be noticed, and they try not to notice me. Do something that's you, and that marks you as something special. Anyone who is remotely interested in what you have or do will come talk to you, or at least say "Hi, that's neat." Me, I joke, juggle or play the recorder (not all at the same time..) and don't conform with the crowd. True, it feels like you're dancing naked (the unicorn pauses to notice he isn't wearing anything in this form anyway..) and a stranger in that crowd, but if you keep it up it'll pay off. There are people out there at that party just as friendly as you, but they're a whole world shyer, and unless you show them that you aren't and are willing to make yourself look silly to attract attention, then they'll come to you. It works-- I keep getting invited to parties.. ..though I miss my comrade in arms, Oath Friend and the only person who could be sillier than I could-- "Dragon." The unicorn takes his hooves off Edmund and drops to the ground. "Though I have to admit, it makes me look like a kid, and isn't effective at attracting those of the opposite sex. I am not really impressive looking, or handsome, by human standards, and am that sort of lonely that can only be erased by a girlfriend. I wait for what may never come, but I'll wait! Unicorns are immortal-- they have the patience of almost that much." "I guess what I'm trying to say is sometimes they have to see you're willing to drop your defenses before they drop theirs. At worst, you look like a fool, but at least you have fun doing it." -Taldin . -Unicorn Defender Of Light -- "You are blue, Unicorn.. the Blue of clear, cloudless days where everything seems like it's going right and nothing could go wrong.. and the Blue of despair and lonliness." jefyoung@pawl.rpi.edu From dkarres@hubcap.clemson.edu Sat Dec 9 04:25:39 1989 From: dkarres@hubcap.clemson.edu (Dean Karres) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Good Times Date: 7 Dec 89 18:04:38 GMT Organization: Clemson University, Clemson, SC Status: O A toast to "Good Times" (no, not the TV show, silly) I had started to write the equivalent of a "good cry" until the Ploymath spoke. The preceding toasts and stories have all touched me deeply. Some are so close to my own version of loneliness, pain and heartache that it takes me several tries to read them all the way through. So, instead of echoing the sad side of me across the ether, I'll say it as succinctly as possible. Who am I? I am 28. I am blessed with a few true-blue friends. I do not know of anyone that I actively dislike or who actively dislikes me i.e. I have no known enemies. I have never been in a fight. I have never been in *love* (lust-yes, deep like-yes, extreme adoration-yes, mutually offered and returned love-no). I have been called quite and reserved. I have been called a *nice guy*. I am not a competitor, I'm not a wimp, I just deal with confrontation by withdrawing from or avoiding it. If I can't withdraw then I prefer to have it over with ASAP whether I "win" or "lose". I am legally blind (20/200 both eyes with glasses). I flunked out of college but rebounded enough to get into grad school [maybe this makes me a masochist too ;-)] I have scads and scads of favorite things [scads = lots] like: watching fireworks displays; sitting in the rocking chair on the porch of my big sister's old house in the country and listening to Neil Young; the feel- ing of exhilaration, energy or Ki after a really good workout; finding, reading and thinking about the latest Orson S Card book or most any book for that matter, the color [bear with me a sec, I'm color blind but still...] of the sky when it is sooo bright and clear that I can imagine that when I look up I can almost see stars if it were not for the sun [ok, ok I *know* if it weren't for the sun it would be night and I *could* see stars, it's just that shade of blue that teases me so]; the sound of water running past in a brook or stream or over a waterfall [not out of my kitchen sink which is clogged with whatever crap my room- mate has managed to pour down it]; *seeing* birds, squirrels, bugs, worms or other creatures in their natural habitat, this is a rare oc- currence for me - I can hear them moving [ok, not the worms and bugs un- less they are REAL BIG ones ;-) ] but I hardly ever actually see them [zoos are out since I just feel depressed for the critters]; seeing clouds from the top as in from an airplane; seeing the moon shimmering on the surface of the water from 100 ft. below; seeing any tiny detail on another person i.e. being close enough [and this is VERY close] to see the pulse in the neck or see the wrinkles form and relax around an eye. As the song says these are a few of my favorite things. I think that if I were able to list all of the terrible things that I dislike and match them against the list of all the things I do like, the balance would be in favor of the I Likes. What more could I ask for? It is my own fault if I sometimes loose sight of this fact and wallow in the hurt; but, then that's part of life too. Anyhow, as I was saying, after Poly's request for Good Time stories, I started thinking about how good the overall picture of my lot is. Thanks Poly! That's just what I needed as finals are cranking up here shortly. My good time story(s) will start after finals. Mike? Another of whatever is closest to your most competent hands if you will... Another toast To experience, hindsight and good and bad everything. We would all be less without them. To all a good night. I will be back briefly after exams and before Xmas. Take care... -- dean...k... || || Slow ahead! .signature under construction dkarres@hubcap.clemson.edu || || From sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Sat Dec 9 04:25:42 1989 From: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Kumar Sircar) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Interconnectedness Date: 7 Dec 89 17:24:43 GMT Reply-To: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar) Distribution: usa Organization: SPAMIT Status: O cphoenix@csli.stanford.edu (Chris Phoenix) writes: >people don't want to be friends, and lots of them are actually afraid of >being friends. The "personal space" thing was the hardest for me to deal >with, because it's totally outside my experience. I was really depressed >for a lot of this quarter, and finally decided that it simply wasn't worth >dealing with undergrads. I don't reject friendship, but I'm not trying to >gain friends among them anymore. I've just had too many senseless rejections, >scared too many people, wasted too much time, and had to learn too many rules. ...[Other discussion deleted] >I couldn't do this if I didn't have other people to be with. In my case, >it's grad students plus the few real friends I made during the last 2 years. >Grads tend to not get as freaked out by me, and to be more open and require >less personal space. It's probably a question of maturity. As an undergrad, social success is the goal - not necessarily making friends, but not (not having friends). If you have people who say "Hi" in the halls, and to chat with on occasion, or people to see a movie with - light, casual type stuff - you're not losing the game. This is not my game now, nor was it my game when I was an undergrad, nor was it the game of my friends who were undergrads - but I saw a lot of people play this game. >> I was always taught that friends were trustworthy >>and honest and loyal, and failed to see how one could be friends >>otherwise. > >That's what I thought too. For me, that is the only way to be a friend. I will be trustworthy and honest and loyal with my friends, regardless of how they are (of course, too many lies, etc. and they won't be friends) towrads me, because I feel that is the right way to act. Of course, this doesn't make the rules any easier... > With women, be very careful they don't feel threatened. Don't do >anything to make them think you might be hitting on them. Violating personal >space is often seen this way. Amen. Unfortunately, this blocks any attempt at becoming intimate, which is often a desirable social goal. Of course, that's what the mask is there to prevent - intimacy and openness, because those can lead to pain. > Don't offer too much help. I don't know if you do this, but I had >problems with it. If you offer help to someone you don't know, they'll >wonder what your game is. It won't occur to them that you might actually >like helping people... This one sucks. I can never obey this rule. I feel truly satisfied by being able to make a difference in somebody's life, and other people don't seem to be able to understand that. I do like helping people for their own sake - that is why I tutor, hang around helping people in the lab/library, and many other things... >The backrub thing is a good example. If you're giving a backrub to a >casual acquaintance, don't give a really good one--you might break down >the mask, and then when it comes up again they'll avoid you from then on. >Also, if someone is in a vulnerable position, such as being really tired or >upset, be careful how you pry. You might be able to get past the mask, and >that might feel like a good thing. But then the next day, they'll remember >that you can get past their mask, and they'll stay away from you. This >doesn't always happen--if someone is upset, they may be grateful for someone >to talk to--but don't always assume that getting past masks is a good thing. > Keep your interactions on a superficial level. People don't like >having to think about social interactions. Don't expect anything important >to happen, and definitely don't try to make something important happen. Superficial things are easily absorbed by the mask, which is there to protect its wearer from pain. Someone who gets past the mask is a threat, because a) they've seen what you're really like, and may have seen something bad, embarrassing, disgusting, etc. b) they have forced you to see them as a real person, and not just a faceless cipher with a mask and certain protocols for social interactions... c) A rejection from someone who's penetrated the mask can't really be brushed away, because they've rejected YOU. Not the mask, not just you on a bad day, but you as you really are. They are a real, breathing person, not someone who you can label and reject and throw away the rejection but someone who matters, and who has seen part of you, and rejected it. That hurts, and so people wear masks. >A couple of warnings on the above rules: They're only useful in certain >cases. In my experience, most undergrads follow them and expect you to too. >But *don't* use them on your friends, and be *very* careful not to get so >used to them that you can't drop them entirely. If you can't get rid of these rules, then you can't ever make a true friend. True friends know and understand you, not the mask. That's a penalty I don't ever want to pay... >Also, I hear that when you get out into the real world they aren't used >nearly as much, so you'll probably want to drop most of them then. In the "real world" (or so I hear, I'm still in grad school :<) there are other rules governing social interactions (such as what your business relationship is, where you are (cafeteria v. boardroom), and what the situation is (casual conversation or discussion of work_). These rules carry their own masks, and so the ones you used as a student don't need to apply any more. Also, these new masks are used less but on a regular basis (9-5) and so are easier to put down for a friend. Lastly, in theory people in the "real world" are more mature and tougher, since they've been rejected before, and have some sense of self-worth (they have a decent job, if nothing else) and so are less afraid of risking embarrassment or hurt. >If anyone's gotten this far, I'd really appreciate comments on the rules-- >Do you think they're correct? Do you have any others to add? Do you >think they should ever be used? If I had my way, I'd get rid of most of them, but people would just evolve new ones. I don't know if they're all correct, but most of them seem to reflect part of what I didn't like about students in high school... One last thing: the rules break down under pressure. At MIT, where people always seemed to be under pressure, you just couldn't keep the mask up very long. Hence, I made some of the best friends I've ever had, and got to know them very well. You'll hear a lot of people from MIT say, "It was hard but the people made it all worthwhile." That was one side-benefit I didn't really expect. Every cloud has a silver lining, I guess. Wait, what's this glass in my hand? Oh, Well, a toast? Ok... "To Life. May the bad times be overwhelmed by the good... And Soon!" <*CRASH!*> Subrata K. Sircar, Prophet & Charter Member of SPAMIT(tm) sksircar@phoenix.princeton.edu SKSIRCAR@PUCC.BITNET "If my life was half as interesting as other people DREAMED it..." - R"BD"D Disclaimer: As if anybody/anything would want me speaking for them... From stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu Sat Dec 9 04:25:42 1989 From: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Steven Stadnicki,9B23 Woodstock,2680000,5186432664) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Callahan's on IRC Date: 7 Dec 89 21:43:13 GMT Reply-To: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam, NY Status: O Well, after playing around a bit, I'd like to propose an unofficial Callahan's channel on IRC; ch. 25, staffed by whoever's around at the time, open 24 hours, etc. Title is up to whoever's on... Steve Stadnicki stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu "'E's just a techie, but we likes 'im." From kathy@fps.com Sat Dec 9 04:25:43 1989 From: kathy@fps.com (the Rev. Mom) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Request for Personal Info About Posters Date: 6 Dec 89 21:13:58 GMT Reply-To: kathy@fps.com (the Rev. Mom) Organization: FPS Computing Inc., San Diego CA Status: O >>snoopy@fig.ucsb.edu (Smith, Jamie Lynn) writes: >> ... Let's all post a little bit about our true selves... Count me in. > stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Steven Stadniki) writes: >And finally, probably one of my biggest hobbies right now: comics. >yep, that's right. A fair chunk of you know what I mean... Austin does, for >sure, and Kathy... Defini-absolutely. I been collecting the little puppies for nigh on 10 years. > _Love and Rockets_, by the Hernandez brothers. I can't even begin to >describe how good this is; it literally has to be seen to be believed. I'll second that recommendation. This is the one you hand people who aren't comic book readers to make them comic book readers. 'Beto's stuff is reminiscent of Garcia Marquez's work. > Donna Barr does one of the weirdest comics I've seen, _The Desert Peach_, >which isn't really about gay Nazis in North Afrika, despite what you might >have heard. :-) Seriously, it's a very clever, occasionally funny book >that might just surprise you. She also does _Stinz_, but I'll let Kathy >talk about that... [sniff!] STINZ was cancelled as of #4, and now I'll *NEVER* get to see the wedding issue! But at least I got the t-shirt. But I think everybody who likes seeing lots of male skin ought to get DESERT PEACH #3. What a riot! ("And you say I be short!") >_Star Trek_, esp. #2, with a guest appearance by someone who shall >go nameless (:-) Yes. Nameless. Yes. [God. I've already gotten about six male-college-student stage mothers from that.] Ok. The vital stats: Name: Kathy Li (pronounced "Lee". My grampa went to Germany to study medicine; it's his fault.) Sex: hopefully ;-) Birthday: The first day Star Trek went on the air. (for those without concordances: Sept.8, 1966. Virgo) I was born to be a trekkie. :-) Birthplace: Poughkeepsie, NY Location: San Diego-thereabouts. (La Jolla) (for those ignorant of CA-geography, it's on the coast, twenty-minutes-by-freeway north of the Mexican border, south of LA). Handle: The Rev. Mom originating from a tiff on rec.arts.comics and the then-recent release of Lynch's movie version of DUNE. Height: 5'5.5" Weight: 115-120, depending on how much coffee Haagen-Dasz I've been ingesting. Ethnicity: 2nd generation Chinese. School: UC Berserkeley, EECS major, English Lit. minor. made a habit of hanging out at the bookstore, Other Change of Hobbit. Job Title: The Other Tech Writer at FPS, San Diego. Favorite authors: Helene Hanff, WM Thackeray, George R. R. Martin, Elizabeth Peters, Dorothy L. Sayers, Bill Shakespeare, GB Shaw, Tom Stoppard, Robin McKinley, Somtow Sucharitkul and Diane Duane. Subject to change. Rapidly. Favorite music: showtunes, specifically, Stephen Sondheim. (co-recruiter for musicals mailing list at musicals-request@world.std.com) Current car-tape is THE LITTLE MERMAID and SARAFINA! jammed together. Favorite newsgroups: alt.callahans, rec.arts.comics, rec.arts.tv.uk, soc.motss (proud moment in my life when I coined the term 'biscuit'). Again, subject to change. Favorite tv shows: South Bank Show (know anybody else willing to use an Andrew Lloyd-Webber version of a Paganini variation for a theme song? That shows you Jonathan Pryce as Hamlet-possessed -by-his-father? Thought not. :-) and Alien Nation. Preferred dress: jeans, and printed shirts with show logos. + black plastic digital watch with phone numbers, calculator, schedule-calendar. Favorite soda: Koala kiwi-grapefruit-lime Favorite bread-spread: Nutella. (eyew! Just imagined the two together. :-6) Hobbies: comics collecting, origami, book-shopping. Current kick: Reminiscing about the three months I spent in London, seeing almost-40-plays, sightseeing my socks off, and praying I had my camera on the right f-stop. Also pretending I was Helene Hanff. --Kathy Li aka the Rev. Mom -- kathy@fps.com |my opinions,not FPS's| Scuttle: There's something ------------------------------------+ different about you...I can't quite put my foot on it-- Sebastian: She's got legs! GEEZ, mon! --THE LITTLE MERMAID From austin@bucsf.bu.edu Sat Dec 9 04:25:44 1989 From: austin@bucsf.bu.edu (Austin Ziegler) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Callahan's on IRC Date: 7 Dec 89 23:07:19 GMT Organization: Boston University College of Engineering In-reply-to: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu's message of 7 Dec 89 21:43:13 GMT Status: O >>>>> On 7 Dec 89 21:43:13 GMT, stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Steven >>>>> Stadnicki,9B23 Woodstock,2680000,5186432664) said: stadnism> Well, after playing around a bit, I'd like to propose an unofficial stadnism> Callahan's channel on IRC; ch. 25, staffed by whoever's around at the stadnism> time, open 24 hours, etc. Title is up to whoever's on... Well, there is one problem with that. Being both a Callahan's regular and an IRC regular, I've gotten to know a lot of people that are on both. To do that, we need to do what has been suggested on alt.sex: Pick a number from 1 through 9 because any number above 10 is limited to 10 people. So instead of channel 25, I'm suggesting that we go to channel 9 (alt.sex will probably have channel 7). With IRC, we could have true punfests and/or tall tale nights. And if you *aren't* lucky enough to have IRC, pester, bug, annoy, do *anything* you must to get IRC at your server. Magyk (austin@bucsf.bu.edu,@bucsb.bu.edu,engc8vc@buacca.bu.edu) 700 Commonwealth Box 2094, Boston, MA 02215 "The Hammer has fallen." -- Niven and Pournelle, _Lucifer's Hammer_ From ibs@sage.cc.purdue.edu Sat Dec 9 04:25:45 1989 From: ibs@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Lawrence daffner) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: The lurker speaks. Date: 7 Dec 89 20:00:38 GMT Reply-To: ibs@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Lawrence daffner) Organization: Purdue University Status: O A tentative voicce calls out from a cozy corner near the fireplace. It it me, a young (19 year old) male who is very much moved by these stories. "My name? that's not important right now. what is important is that I have my chance to tell of the creuel tricks of fate that bring me here." "I would first like to say thanks to all, for being a family to me. My real family doesn't relate to me, but it seems you all will, because we share a common base. And thank you also for tolerance. There's so little left outside." "My story is very similar to the rest, only in my case, it's the deepness. I relate to people, but can't find the one I really need in my life. I am searching for a soul mate- a special person who I can tell anything to. I talk at people, and they talk back, but it's not the same. I need a person to react with, not just talk. Many are the times I have needed a shoulder to cry on, but it wasn't there. Oh, once I thought I almost found that person, but after one long interaction, it was no longer there. She backed off, and I was crushed. " "Oh, well. I guess I'm doomed to be a perpetual wanderer. Many of us are hereit seems. I just wish that I had found that someone. I am still going to keep looking for this soulmate of mine, But it seems the search is fruitless. I just don't think it was meant to be." "there have been others, people that seemed to be drawn in. But as is dictated by my nature, they must get farther away. It seems that the few people who aren't afraid of closeness are drawn to people who don't really need it. If there's anyone out in the neighborhood who feels the same way, maybe we can get together after closing to discuss it together. I am in need of this contact but can't find it. " "Oh well, Here's to my partners in time and purpose. May we all find our soulmate before its too late. " "Oh, and my name? You can just call me solitaire" From egly@hplred.HP.COM Sat Dec 9 04:25:45 1989 From: egly@hplred.HP.COM (Diana Egly) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: explanations (long!) and a toast. Date: 1 Dec 89 18:05:02 GMT Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA Status: O Karl - friends - remember that the drinks at Callahans are fifty cents, not a dollar. You get your change back when you return your glass. If you make a toast or resonate with a toast or a story -- well -- that's where the second half of your dollars goes... Glasses do cost something, eh? And with that I hurl my glass into the fireplace in solidarity with something that Karl said... From egly@hplred.HP.COM Sat Dec 9 04:25:46 1989 From: egly@hplred.HP.COM (Diana Egly) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: lovers and friends Date: 1 Dec 89 18:25:15 GMT Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA Status: O I almost didn't recognize you as a hummingbird, but the form does suit you well... I wonder if part of the reason that people long for soulmates rather than a circle of friends is that they've been trained to think of and imagine what having a soulmate must be like... We don't get much training, or insight into, close knit circles of friends... Sometimes I think that people who work to have the kinds of relationships that you have, need to speak up about how it is. To share the vision and the reality. Because otherwise a lot of people will never understand... Consider this an open invitation to talk... Diana egly@hplabs From stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu Sat Dec 9 04:25:47 1989 From: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Steven Stadnicki,9B23 Woodstock,2680000,5186432664) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Callahan's on IRC Date: 8 Dec 89 00:26:45 GMT Reply-To: stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam, NY Status: O >From article <44135@bu-cs.BU.EDU>, by austin@bucsf.bu.edu (Austin Ziegler): > On 7 Dec 89 21:43:13 GMT, stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu (Me) said: me> Well, after playing around a bit, I'd like to propose an unofficial me> Callahan's channel on IRC; ch. 25, staffed by whoever's around at the me> time, open 24 hours, etc. Title is up to whoever's on... > > Well, there is one problem with that. Being both a Callahan's > regular and an IRC regular, I've gotten to know a lot of people that are on > both. To do that, we need to do what has been suggested on alt.sex: Pick > a number from 1 through 9 because any number above 10 is limited to 10 > people. So instead of channel 25, I'm suggesting that we go to channel 9 > (alt.sex will probably have channel 7). With IRC, we could have true > punfests and/or tall tale nights. And if you *aren't* lucky enough to have > IRC, pester, bug, annoy, do *anything* you must to get IRC at your server. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well, I had to go get it + compile it myself... it was worth it, though. My suggestion: how 'bout having ch. 9 as the main channel, for rather frenzied conversations, then if anyone wants to go someplace quieter, for a serious discussion, they can move it up to ch. 25... Looking forward to seeing you all there... Steven Stadnicki stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu "'E's a techie, but we likes 'im anyway." From abl@dart.ece.cmu.edu Sat Dec 9 04:25:47 1989 From: abl@dart.ece.cmu.edu (Antonio Leal) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Shaggy dog on punday night Date: 6 Dec 89 13:24:15 GMT Distribution: alt Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Status: O Coming out of Callahan's, I paused a moment to turn up the collar of my leather jacket, and tuck my hat down firmly against the brisk wind. I saw a guy coming down the street, with a pooch on a leash; the man was pretty unsteady, weaving his way down the sidewalk like he were on a ship's deck. I considered going back in and asking for Pyotr's assistance, but by then he had come up to me, and noticed my inquisitive look. "I'm not drunk", he said. They all say that. But he didn't sound drunk. "You don't sound drunk", I said, penetratingly. "How ... ?" "It's Ralph Vaughan", he explained, waving at the animal. "He makes me liszt like szell, because it's the tail that wagners the dog. Haydn't you noticed ?" -- Antonio B. Leal Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering Bell: [412] 268-2937 Carnegie Mellon University Net: abl@maxwell.ece.cmu.edu Pittsburgh, PA. 15213 U.S.A. From t-phils@microsoft.UUCP Sat Dec 9 04:26:49 1989 From: t-phils@microsoft.UUCP (the Eternal Stranger) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: SF puns Date: 7 Dec 89 22:30:48 GMT Reply-To: t-phils@microsoft.UUCP (the Eternal Stranger) Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA Status: O Gary Lewandowski (TA of Doom) writes: |stadnism@clutx.clarkson.edu writes: |>Jennifer writes: |>>"We really should write these down. Let's call a Clarke." she said, as a huge |>> Brin spread across her face. "It Kurtz me to see these wonderful puns lost |>> forever." |>> Jen-- |>I agree with Jen; we oughta Stasheff few of these away for future reFrenz... |Write them on a Card, and Niven let them get away. "Wright - that's it. I'm not lett-Ing you lot get away with Hogan this stream any more. I've kept quiet too long already, Morris the pity, and it's Bean a Longyear and I need to blow off some steam. I never thought that I'Drake up some of these myself - I thought I was above Aldiss stuff - but here I go, just like every other Thom, Dick and Harrison in the place. (I hope you don't think I'm being too Forward about it...) So much for silence, here I am Tolkien my head off - and I'll have you know, I'm a man who Brooks no interruptions. (You think this is bad? There's Farmer left where these came from...) Well - there's other folks I have to talk to, so Furnow I'll have to be leaVinge," he says, Edding for the bar... -- _________________________________________________________ | Phil Stracchino t-phils@microsoft.UUCP | | "What about me, it isn't fair | | I've had enough, now I want my share | | Can't you see, I want to live..." | | - Moving Pictures | | "If life was simple, everyone would be good at it." | | - The Eternal Stranger | \_________________________________________________________/