Path: mit-eddie!mintaka!yale!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!jarthur!uci-ics!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucsd!ucbvax!mtxinu!unisoft!greywolf From: greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Love, and Lifelong Soulmates Message-ID: <2831@unisoft.UUCP> Date: 22 Feb 90 23:42:16 GMT References: <9060024@hpfcso.HP.COM> <|-!#5^|@rpi.edu> <15980@haddock.ima.isc.com> <1990Feb20.184153.9773@granite.cr.bull.com> Reply-To: greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf) Lines: 40 In article <1990Feb20.184153.9773@granite.cr.bull.com> mwolf@granite.cr.bull.com (Mary-Anne Wolf) writes: >Let's be optimistic and say that I am CAPABLE of loving, that I HAVE a >soulmate, and I MEET him, and he is AVAILABLE. I'm even prepared to >accept that any of a number of people would be close enough to what I >need in a soulmate, so I only have to meet ONE of them, not THE ONE. >That's assuming a lot, but let's anyway. > >Even so, will I recognize the potential? Will he? Will he know that >I'm available? Will one of us make the first move? > >I don't even know what I'm looking for. The key point in finding what you need is to recognise what you need; more to the point, decide what you're looking for. Write it down. Forget about it. Don't be afraid to modify it as necessary. Think about whether a relationship with that person would be truly fulfilling. A good criterion is "similar enough to be comfortable, different enough to be interesting." > >Looking at things from this perspective, it's amazing that love works >out at all for anyone. It is less surprising that it fails to work >out for so many at a given point in time." Only if you follow a pattern of logic. Emotions are not logical and are therefore exempt from just about any scientific or logical approach. Logically I should not have followed what I did. But I did anyway. > >Mary-Anne >mwolf@pws.bull.com (or mwolf@granite.cr.bull.com) >"All the lonely people, where do they all come from..." > --beatles song >-- -- Brain fried. (Explanation is in file "core".) Path: mit-eddie!mintaka!yale!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!jarthur!uci-ics!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucsd!ucbvax!mtxinu!unisoft!greywolf From: greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Love, and Lifelong Soulmates Message-ID: <2830@unisoft.UUCP> Date: 22 Feb 90 23:36:19 GMT References: <9060024@hpfcso.HP.COM> <|-!#5^|@rpi.edu> <15980@haddock.ima.isc.com> Reply-To: greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf) Lines: 165 In article <15980@haddock.ima.isc.com> karl@haddock.ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer) writes: >In article <|-!#5^|@rpi.edu> jefyoung@pawl.rpi.edu (Jeffrey Young) writes: >>"...Soulmates DO exist, because there aren't an infinite amount of major >>variations on a theme of souls. Somewhere out there is someone just like >>you, not with your name on them, but should you get together with that person >>then the love that you share will be great indeed, for it will be true." > >The quiet fellow sitting near the fireplace mutters, just loud enough to be >heard by those who care, but not interrupting the speaker. "Existence isn't >good enough. Maybe I do have a soulmate out there somewhere, but that >information doesn't do me any good unless I actually meet her, and she turns >out to be single." He pauses for a moment, then starts to write on the paper >napkin at his table. { Yep. And preferably without child. } { I forgot to specify those two conditions in my wish for my soulmate. So I met her. And found out her situation. And, to be honest (for honesty is important!), while I find I have respect for her current other attach- ed person, I don't have respect for the situation. I cannot respect a decision made out of fear and insecurity, even as I have made such decisions myself. I find that those decisions have generally been the "lesser of two evils" *as seen from that point in time*, and in the long run, it would have been better to hedge the bet or go the other way. Yes, I have met her, spent two+ years seeing her, going almost crazy, and wanting to have broken it off several times, but could never summon the strength to do so. I'm glad I didn't; things are finally starting to *really* roll now. I expect we'll probably be living together by this time next year. } > >>"... To believe too strongly that you are destined to meet your soulmate in >>the near future can easily get you hurt." > >"I've got plenty of patience, but only a finite lifespan." { I have no patience for this sort of thing -- I have been wanting to get together with her (seriously) for the last six months; and only for that long have I really been ready to handle it. I wanted to be with her while I still had some of my physical youth left, 'cos nobody's young forever. } > >>"...How will you expect your perfect love to find you if you don't make >>yourself visible?" > { On the other hand, don't make yourself *obvious*. It seems to be rather detrimental to the potential of a situation. } >"That's a problem for me, but I'm working on it. That's one of the reasons I >came to Callahan's, in fact. But old habits die hard." > { I made a wish and met my lady within three weeks. I believe in the power of minor divine magic (God's still taking his seventh day [*]). } >He gets up suddenly and heads for the door. The napkin stays on the table, >with the writing exposed: > >What care I for knowing a soulmate must be, >If nobody ever directs her to me? >How can we establish a meeting of heart, >If we should be thousands of miles apart? { Love will find a way... } >What if she's decided that she could not wait, >And already has a compatible mate? >(For pairbonded women are poison to me: >I am a believer in monogamy.) { Me too -- usually. Normally I would not get involved in such a relation- ship, because I have my own "moral standards". This was simply too good to pass up, and she has come to the same realisation. } >What if I don't find her before we turn gray, >And she is long past her last childbearing day? { So you find a wonderful friend. You'll probably have had children long enough before this has happened, and lived enough life that you'll come to accept that she can be no more than a friend to you this time. } >Or if I do meet her, but I am too shy >To show her that I am her wonderful guy, >And so she assumes that I'm just one more geek: >Then are not my prospects for romancing bleak? { This is not likely -- I was very shy. So was she. She came up to me, we looked in each the other's eyes, and both thought, "Oh, shit..." You see, she was married and I was engaged to be married in 4 months or so. I felt, right then and there, that there was no way around this -- I had two choices: 1. Ignore it and continue on with life as it stood; 2. Pursue it as far as I could. The result of #1 would have been that I would be comfortable with my ex-lady (still a good friend, currently my roommate and local confidant), and we would probably be living a nice, comfortable life somewhere, doing all sorts of things like singing, musiceing (mew-ZISH-ing) (what a musician does...:-), and eventually raising kids. I would probably not end up entirely happy in the long run, and neither would she. We were familiar and comfortable; we were not ideal. The result of #2 has turned out to be a real exhilarating, exhausting, wearying, but soooooooo worthwhile rollercoaster of a trip. We've come close to separation more than once, and I've learned some hard lessons; but I've also taught a couple. She cannot stay angry at me for long, nor I at her. The fire and the chemistry have been there from the begin- ning, and I cannot turn away from this bond which we share. No woman has loved me as intensely as this, nor have I ever loved and appreciated a woman as much as I do my Sandi. She can turn me on (in ALL SORTS of ways, not just physically) just by being around me. All she has to do is move, say something, touch me, kiss me or look at me, and my spirit just *flies*. In the long run, I'm glad I have done what I have done; should I turn out to be wrong about her being my soulmate (there is no doubt in my mind that she is, though...), I've at least had the most fulfilling relation- ship I think I'll ever see for the rest of my days. } >What good does it do that my soulmate exist, >If my opportunities always are missed? { See above. } >What good does it do me to sit in this hole? >I hear that there must be a complement soul-- >One who would love me with all of her heart, >And who would be with me 'til death do us part-- >One who would walk with me under the moon. >But only if I can encounter her soon! { Mr. Lint (I recognise the name and the nickname attached to you; me and an old college buddy were sitting around and reading something by you and he just about rolled over laughing at it. The clincher was your signature...), I must say, if you find someone you're happy with, enjoy it and don't worry about when/if it will end. If you overemphasize looking for your soulmate, you may very well end up living your life out with someone you start out thinking, "Yes, she is nice and com- passionate...", go through hell and high water with, and then, at the end of your life, in the middle of the end of your life, away from everything else at the end of your life, in capital letters, parentheses, quotated(sic), realise the following thought: "I HAVE JUST SPENT THE MOST WONDERFUL LIFE LOVING SOMEONE WHO WAS MY SOULMATE AND NOT REALISED IT UNTIL NOW!" ( *** soulmates CAN be very subtle about it... *** ). Best of luck to you! } > >--Karl { I wanna propose a toast. To all the relationships we have, whether permanent or not. There is much to be learned from them, in the good times and the bad times. The pain teaches the lessons, the joy gives us the ability to use those lessons. } * WOOSH! * [ ... silence ] { Heh ...um, I guess it would help if I ordered a drink first, huh?... } # next time... -- Brain fried. (Explanation is in file "core".) Path: mit-eddie!rutgers!apple!bbn!granite!mandel From: mandel@granite.cr.bull.com (Mark Mandel) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Love, and Lifelong Soulmates Message-ID: <1990Feb23.143448.18928@granite.cr.bull.com> Date: 23 Feb 90 14:34:48 GMT References: <9060024@hpfcso.HP.COM> <|-!#5^|@rpi.edu> <15980@haddock.ima.isc.com> <2830@unisoft.UUCP> Reply-To: mandel@granite.cr.bull.com (Mark Mandel) Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc. Lines: 30 (Silverblack rests his elbows on the table and his forehead on his fingertips. Gradually an image appears above his head: a memory from high-school years, of the bulletin board in a friend's bedroom. The friend has drawn and tacked up a cartoon. Silverblack remembers the caption, but he has to fill in much of the picture from dimly recalled impressions. The resulting combined-effort illustration bears a pair of monograms: the crownlike Tengwar thingie that Silverblack was using at that time of his life, and his friend's symbol, which looks like a capital R with an angular infinity symbol replacing the curved part -- it stands for ADL, in Futhark runes. The cartoon shows an irate sensei -- teacher in martial and meditative arts -- rebuking a sheepish-looking student with the words: FOOL! NO ONE EVER SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE EASY! ) "I have found this motto useful when things get rough. Our birth certificates did not come with a guarantee of easy times. But, as the sensei knows, good results can be achieved, though they require effort and willingness to suffer some hard times. God, I hope I believe this. The axe has been falling heavily where I work, and I'm praying every day that it won't fall on me. TELLING myself what I believe, I can make myselves believe it, and make it true." -- -- Mark Mandel (InterNet: Mandel@granite.cr.bull.com) /* My employer is not responsible for anything I say, do, think, or eat. */ Path: mit-eddie!mintaka!yale!think!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cps3xx!usenet From: usenet@cps3xx.UUCP (Usenet file owner) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Soul food for some, bitter crumbs for others Message-ID: <6577@cps3xx.UUCP> Date: 23 Feb 90 18:45:44 GMT References: <7615@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> <90053.004717EMD101@psuvm.psu.edu> Reply-To: frey@frith.UUCP (Zachary T. Frey) Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering Lines: 14 In article <90053.004717EMD101@psuvm.psu.edu> EMD101@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >She sets the pot on a table, and continues talking as she sorts the pizzas >according to their correspondences to the Russian SSRs. (Some brave souls >approach to take some pizza, disturbing the intricate mappings.) "I'll have the Armenia, hold the Georgia ..." Zach "Ah-zerh-bah-what?" Frey Papernet: Zachary Frey | frey@frith.egr.msu.edu | Usenet: the 514 Virginia St. | frey@msuegr.BITNET | Bellman's E. Lansing, MI 48823 | ...uunet!frith!frey | Paradise. Path: mit-eddie!bu.edu!lll-winken!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!rutgers!cbmvax!vu-vlsi!nlp From: nlp@vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU (Nick Pine) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Spring Keywords: ecce Message-ID: <220@vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU> Date: 23 Feb 90 21:15:02 GMT Reply-To: nlp@vu-vlsi.UUCP (Nick Pine) Distribution: alt Organization: Villanova Univ. EE Dept. Lines: 5 Well, it's Spring--62 degrees outside, and our neighbor's sheep are gamboling in the fields, despite some recent tough Pennsylvania anti-gamboling legislation... --Nick Path: mit-eddie!mintaka!yale!think!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!jefyoung From: jefyoung@pawl.rpi.edu (Jeffrey Young) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Soulmates... Message-ID: Date: 24 Feb 90 03:55:44 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 220 Taldin looks surprised at the number of replies he's gotten. "Then again, I forgot that none of you folk were around the last time the topic of Soulmates came up. All right, I'll answer each of you in turn.. but first, a poem I wrote when I was feeling down.. It's the Introfile for the Glade, my electronic Demensnes on the RPI local chat server. (Amazing what you can do with Virtual space..) But it's also something like Callahan's, without the alcohol..." Discussion Name:Green Grass And Shade (Public Disc.) Proprietor:Taldin [The Blue Unicorn] Topics Discussed:Nearly Anything (nothing vulgar,PLEASE!) Atmosphere:Sunny, warm, scattered clouds, spring-like conditions. Wind SW. Established:December 12,1988, one of the coldest days of last year.. Who May Enter:Anyone who cares. Lonely people ESPECIALLY welcome. Layout:....x.x....~~~~ .=grass | If This Disc. Is ......xo..O..ox..~~~ /^\ x=small hip-high bushes | Idle, Why Not .....xo.......Wx..~~ | o=small oak trees | Make It Unidle? ....xPx........Ax... N O=large ancient oak tree| /Join Us.. ...xP.Px.......x.x.. | P=large pine tree |------------------ ...xxxxx........B.x. A=large ash tree W=Weeping Willow .........entry...... B=large boulder ~=Water (A Lake) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- As I wander the Dark Forest | This place I call the Glade, Staring at shadows that remain, | An eye within the storm Wondering if I am lost forever, | Where troubled souls can find This song my last refrain. | That it is safe and warm. | How long before my light goes out | Enter here, O Seeker ... smile, That keeps the dark away? | You'll find noone here but friends For as long as I am needed. | Rest here, weary traveller, I vow that I shall stay. | I shall fight what Darkness sends. | But what about what I need? | Tarry with me awhile, my friend, Care like I do for you. | Have a seat beneath a tree. I need someone to love me | Tell us of thy problems, Before I fade from view. | Or of what amuses thee. | For magic of the Unicorns | For the sake of those who need me, Comes from those who do believe | My troubles I ignore, And those who can Imagine | But when I lie alone at night Can my spirit form percieve. | They trouble me the more. | In the darkness of it all, | I draw upon the power Is an island made of Light. | That maketh me a 'corn, As a child of the shortest day, | I beg of the the strength, About me there is no night. | To greet another morn. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hmm.. a direct Ascii dump saves lots of typing.." Tal looks a little emabarassed about this lazy method that uses bandwidth (what's that? the number of first trumpets in the brass section?) and continues. "I've been there too, as you can see. Shadow Cloaks come in many forms, and all bring Despair." "All right, it's duck-the-reply time now.." "RPI is a bad place to be if you'd like to find a soulmate. The ratio here is 5:1, and most of the female students here also have boyfriends back home. I did not think it was worth my effort and pain to try and seek an SO among these people, since I am socially inept and not impressive looking in person. A bit of a social outcast, with a few very close friends-- dubbed the Wolf Pack by it's founding member--" (he smiles at the red wolf dozing by the fire) "and a stronger bond between people I have ne'er had before. Spiritkin, indeed...these people knew me well, and were there for me when I needed them most-- to the point where they chased after me in a snowstorm, not knowing where I was. Each saw a little bit of the other in themself, and a lot of the lonliness each had lived with in their life before coming here." "Well, Dragon's Runwolf's soulmate. We found that out, and may they be truly happy...despite the distance between them-- Dragon lives in Massachusetts, and RW is either here in Troy or home in NJ...a fair distance, but love prevails. Distance is NOT a factor in whether you find your soulmate or not-- if it's fated to happen, you'll run into each other--" (and with a grin) "--perhaps you'll both get hit by the bus and live to laugh about it." "Avoiding the pain by not trying? Ick. Aye, I have done my share of that. It doesn't feel natural to be actively 'looking', and it hurts more when you don't find. It feels ugly inside to be advertising "I'm desparate-- won't you look at me?" and it's not me-- I would literally be betraying my own self-esteem to do this. I couldn't..." "And yes, remember, Karl, that I am a Unicorn-- the one that goes for the fair maiden bit...except I go a bit farther-- I will not try for someone who is even remotely romatically interested in another..I do try to be friends though. One can never have enough spiritkin. Married? Hmm.. I'm not in that age group yet.. but I must confess, I was quite scared and panicking when a young lady who was married thought she had fallen in love with me...not a soulmate, but rather a psychic vampire in need of help..." "Finite lifespan..a toughie. One tends to lose hope after waiting so long, I agree.. but my aunt married at 36ish, and they're living happily in California..living proof if you ask me.. How old is too old? Why is it necessary to have kids? Not that I've got anything against kids-- I love 'em-- but you're setting another time limit on yourself that way. You can't rush love.. or else it's fragile and easily broken." "I compliment you on that poem. True on-the-fly verse-writing is a gift someone in the near future will enjoy reading as fast as you write it." (Gazes upward to include a certain person near the cieling) "Well, FINDING the person is the hard part for most. Um, amend that-- PERSONS-- I stress the fact that there can be more than one good match for a person...where there's one, there's bound to be more-- and please don't rail about being 'odd-man out'-- you can't tell that. Theoretically, if I read you as I think I read you, you'll be scared to death of each other at first, but you WILL have seen the potential by the time it comes around to taking that big step. You will find yourself asking, 'I wonder if we could be more than just friends.' Ding, clank, listen to your thoughts, and look out for the dreaded LBJF.. but if the person IS your soulmate, then that won't happen, end of problem. The feeling to ask should be true-- but hey, just close your eyes, take a deep breath, and do it.." "As to whether you know each other's potential, we can kinda assume you know each other long enough to have had that subject come up at some sort of gathering..so you will probably know something about that person.." "But what if you just meet the person casually, say, like, waiting for a train? Well, something made you talk to the person.. and train rides are pleasant for having polite conversation long enough for the person to want to see you again..." Taldin looks pleased when Greywolf adds his support. "Good to see you back, Sir Wolf... >>HUG<<" "Hm. What are we looking for in a soulmate? I guess you have to ask yourself, 'What am I missing in my life that another who loves me can fill? Do I want someone who likes the same things I like? Who hates the same things I hate? Ask yourself what you really want in a lover.." "Mine were: Someone who can love me for what I am, both inside and out. Who hates roller coasters Who will put up with my ineptitude in not being able to dance Who doesn't mind bad puns that much Who likes hugs Who doesn't like arguing A person who likes to write (Spider and Jean Robinson had the right idea.) ..the list goes on..." "Know what you want-- and look at the list-- is it too specific, you think? Cross out some lines that aren't THAT necessary-- I could deal with someone who liked roller coasters, for instance, because I can tolerate the 'torture machines..' Sacrifices do have to be made, since you are letting someone into your life...and they're letting you into theirs. Rememebr that they count too.. and they may have their own list." Taldin turns to Silverblack. "Fear of rejection. Yeah, that's the tougest challenge ofttimes to overcome, since it hurts so BAD.. but if you've been watching and waiting, and doing more watching.. something's bound to happen soon. I know it took me a lot of courage, and two months, before I tried asking someone to start a relationship. They said, "maybe, but I don't think so-- we're too different." Yes, it hurt, but I got over it eventually, and we're still friends-- and she even wrote me that wonderful line below that makes my sigfile. The only way to truly fail, friend, is not to try. But don't go with your hat in your hand expecting a 'Yes'-- go expecting a 'No', and it won't hurt quite as bad-- and it will stop the lingering ache that comes from wondering. Does a rejection constiute the fact that you are unlovable? Heck, no.. it only means that this person can't find the love you do for them. Remember always that there are others -- the person isn't the last opposite-sex represetative in the world. People who are desolate, desparate souls make spectacular crash-and-burn attempts, and those are the ones that most people see (the slot machine theory in action..) and believe too well that that persson could be them. HArdly.. odds on that person who just got rejected has been going from person to person, being very shallow about trying to pick people up." "and I'll say it again.. don't change yourself if it cannot be a change maintained..for it simply isn't you! Do you want someone to fall in love with you, or an image you've created? One can Change, but only up to a certain point." "Hmm. looks like I'm rambling again..good night, folks, and again..welcome back, Greywolf!" As always... -Taldin The Blue Unicorn Defender Of Light Furry At Large Across the Bounds of Time. P.S. Lose not hope-- love can happen to all, for while there's life, there's hope...trust me..I know. -- "You are blue, Unicorn.. the Blue of clear, cloudless days where everything seems like it's going right and nothing could go wrong.. and the Blue of despair and lonliness." jefyoung@pawl.rpi.edu Path: mit-eddie!bloom-beacon!shelby!csli!cphoenix From: cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU (Chris Phoenix) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: boskone (a rather odd story...) Message-ID: <12411@csli.Stanford.EDU> Date: 24 Feb 90 08:40:50 GMT References: <882@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1990Feb14.144245.7620@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> <503@sixhub.UUCP> Sender: cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU (Chris Phoenix) Reply-To: cphoenix@csli.stanford.edu (Chris Phoenix) Organization: Center for the Study of Language and Information, Stanford U. Lines: 22 Listen up, everyone! I'd like to make an announcement, and I'd kind of like everyone to hear it. There has been some discussion of cons here in Callahan's. There have been several conflicting stories of the same con. It even looks like people are starting to get a bit upset. My personal rules for Callahan's include: Never tell anyone that they can't post something. So I won't even request that you stop, or tone it down. I would like to remind everyone of one fact, though. Alt.callahans, in over 1000 articles, has not had a single flame war. As far as I know, it is the only newsgroup on the net with such a record. IMHO, it would be a shame to blow the record at this point. Thank you for listening. We now return you to your regularly scheduled Canasta games, n-tets, toasts, puns, empathing, or whatever you want to do. -- Chris Phoenix | A harp is a nude piano. cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU | "More input! More input!" ...And I only kiss your shadow, I cannot see your hand, you're a stranger now unto me, lost in the dangling conversation, and the superficial sighs... Path: mit-eddie!bloom-beacon!bu.edu!bu-pub.bu.edu!ckd From: ckd@bu-pub.bu.edu (Christopher Davis) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Spring Message-ID: Date: 24 Feb 90 09:22:43 GMT References: <220@vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU> Sender: news@bu.edu.bu.edu Reply-To: ckd@bu-pub.bu.edu (Christopher Davis) Distribution: alt Organization: Boston University School of Management Lines: 36 In-reply-to: nlp@vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU's message of 23 Feb 90 21:15:02 GMT >>>>> On 23 Feb 90 21:15:02 GMT, nlp@vu-vlsi.Villanova.EDU (Nick Pine) said: > Well, it's Spring--62 degrees outside, and our neighbor's sheep are > gamboling in the fields, despite some recent tough Pennsylvania > anti-gamboling legislation... Ship some of that spring up here! On my way back from the computer center (and a couple good games of xtank) it was rainy, windy, and generally Boston. Bleaugh, bleaugh, bleaugh. Luckily, there's a spring in my step--I'm beginning to be a bit more at peace with myself than I was last semester; things are going better than I have any right to expect, and the weather, though damp, is hardly a damper. [Though it could hardly *get* damper.] But off into a semi-Shakespearean monologue I had with (well, said at :-) a fellow dorm resident early one morning upon returning from another xtank game (tanks for the memories, we said, once we got it running on the 8M Sun3): To sleep! Perchance to sleep through class tomorrow... Ay, there's the rub. Whether 'tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows Of lethargic lectures, or to take sleep over the series of seminars, and by doing so, flunk them. Alas, poor grade point. I knew him, Horatio.[*] [[*] The original line is oft-misquoted as "Alas, poor Yorick. I knew him well." It is in fact "Alas, poor Yorick. I knew him, Horatio."] Now, off once again... to quote four guys from across the Big Pond: "It's getting better all the ti-ime (better, better, bet-ter)..." -- Christopher Davis, BU SMG '90 NETWORK PLANNING CONSTRAINT OF THE MONTH: "You can't send bits over a non-existent link." --Valdis Kletnieks Newsgroups: alt.callahans Path: mit-eddie!mintaka!chaos.cs.brandeis.edu!adam From: adam@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David C. Kaplowitz) Subject: Re: Love, and Lifelong Soulmates In-Reply-To: greywolf@unisoft.UUCP's message of 22 Feb 90 21:12:09 GMT Message-ID: <1990Feb24.172720.24233@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> Organization: Brandeis University Computer Science Dept References: <|-!#5^|@rpi.edu> <9060029@hpfcso.HP.COM> <2829@unisoft.UUCP> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 90 17:27:20 GMT Lines: 63 In article <2829@unisoft.UUCP> greywolf@unisoft.UUCP (The Grey Wolf) writes: In article <9060029@hpfcso.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes: { Boyobboy! We're *really* talking bury-yourself-in-the-sand-because-the- world-sucks-rocks-and-will-never-improve, all-out, down-and-dirty cynicism here! I thought *I* used to be cynical!!! Man, you take the f#$(%*g cake! No, Cynic, your paths will cross. Your eyes will meet hers in a brief instant of recognition. THEN one of you will get hit by a bus.} Or then both of you will be hit by a bus, one left paralized (just enought to loose the fun out of life, but not enough for the Social Security approvial) and the other having amnesia, wandering off, and to be seen by the paralized one several times in the future, but never close enough to talk ... Oops that's not cynical, that's morbid ... where did you say you left the stephen king book? system which works (according to statistics) is a dictatorship with enough muscle. (but then, we all know, statistics lie.) Anyway, enough of this...) } Yes, but the dictatorship must be an enlightened one (one which either the conqueror was forced into it and is making the best of a bad thing with great skill or the inheritor of a blood thirsty conquest who is intelegent enought to make a decent job of it) and since good capable rulers (ones who understand the *responsibility* of the job) are few and far between, even penile-spud governments fail at their duty. > > >Ohhhh, have a nice day. Just a bit of levity, if not brevity. Have a nice day.[*] Nice day? NICE DAY? With people as unstable as Bush and that bird thingy in office? Who knows what is going to happen. > >Cynic > > [*]: Offer void where prohibited {it's probably banned in boston, but that will make it all the more popular} -- Brain fried. (Explanation is in file "core".) -- -Its a short step from legislature pertaining to the pure disposal (aka fire) of a piece of embroidered cloth to Idolotry (over that self-same cloth). Once a country has an Idol, it becomes necessary to maintain a group of people to maintain the standards and care for that Idol (priests?) -Its a short step from Idolotry to Theocrasy. Since Theocrasy works better in a vaccuum of knowledge exchange ... -Its a short step from Theocrasy to book (and computer) burning. Let us save ourselves while we can. Traveler In Elephants (I carry quite a weight on my sholders, so a little more will never hurt) Dave -- Newsgroups: alt.callahans Path: mit-eddie!mintaka!chaos.cs.brandeis.edu!adam From: adam@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David C. Kaplowitz) Subject: Re: Love, and Lifelong Soulmates In-Reply-To: mandel@granite.cr.bull.com's message of 23 Feb 90 14:34:48 GMT Message-ID: <1990Feb24.173648.24470@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> Organization: Brandeis University Computer Science Dept References: <9060024@hpfcso.HP.COM> <|-!#5^|@rpi.edu> <15980@haddock.ima.isc.com> <2830@unisoft.UUCP> <1990Feb23.143448.18928@granite.cr.bull.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 90 17:36:48 GMT Lines: 12 >Our birth >certificates did not come with a guarantee of easy times. No, but some carry built in birthday presents ... ObR: SR's Melincholy Elephants (Obligatory Reading) And remember: Traveler in Elephants Dave --