Path: mit-eddie!mintaka!think!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplred!egly From: egly@hplred.HP.COM (Diana Egly) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Shared visions Message-ID: <20940051@hplred.HP.COM> Date: 12 Apr 90 14:30:40 GMT References: <9004111445.AA21738@fsdcupt.csd.mot.COM> Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA Lines: 9 / hplred:alt.callahans / jane@FSDCUPT.CSD.MOT.COM (Jane Beckman x4030) / 2:45 pm Apr 11, 1990 / I > "Glad to see you back, Diana! Want some sugar for the lemon water? Thanks, Jilara. A touch of honey instead of sugar, if you please. Life is not so bitter now. And honey is so much more appropriate than sugar, eh? Will you join me in a lemon-aid (misspelling deliberate)? Path: mit-eddie!mintaka!think!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplred!egly From: egly@hplred.HP.COM (Diana Egly) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Re: "Look out world, here I come." Message-ID: <20940052@hplred.HP.COM> Date: 12 Apr 90 16:59:49 GMT References: <14683@reed.UUCP> Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA Lines: 28 Common courtesy, Thalen? Uncommon courtesy, I call it. Because it is uncommon. And if you think of it as uncommon, the small signs of it will give you much pleasure. This winter I planted pansies next to the sidewalk. My SO told me I was a fool for doing so because people would tromp on them or steal the flowers. And I expect that he was right. People *do* steal things from off the door and shred them and hurt each other terribly in the process. They kill the fragile flowers too. (And the pansy may be symbolic in many ways...) And yet my pansies bloomed. And gave me great joy. And my neighbors who hang out a lot in my driveway (it's that kind of a neighborhood) enjoyed them, and told me so. And some of the younger children asked me the name of the flower and asked if they could have some to take to their mothers. I praised them for asking, and told them that they should always ask first, and gave them some flowers. There were enough for that. And someone pulled up about 1/10 of the flowers and left them dead on the sidewalk. Yeah, my SO was right. People destroy beautiful things. Yet I will remember the children and my neighbors and the flowers that remain and my own pleasure in all of these things. It is no mistake to share these simple things. Even if some would and do destroy them. Path: mit-eddie!rutgers!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpfcso!daq From: daq@hpfcso.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Hello, did any one hear me? Message-ID: <9060063@hpfcso.HP.COM> Date: 13 Apr 90 16:02:31 GMT References: <11551@encore.Encore.COM> Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 106 Doug comes into callahans looking pretty tired. "I just got back from a last minute business trip to cupertino, and I might not have time to post much. This seemed to be the most important matter at hand." He crosses to Hildy's table. >"Am I missing some inside jokes or something? Other than a couple >generic hellos, no one seems to want to answer me. Have I turned >invisible? Or is there some requisite pain that one has to share to >be included? Maybe since I am not a college student (nor ever was >one) or going through a painful break up, there is no place for me >here? I feel I should apologize for being happy or not knowing one of >you on the outside. Is this true? Deal me in for one hand at poker >and I'll tell a story." Do not apologize for being happy. I think that many of us are happier than we care to admit in public. One problem of this place is that it is filled with people who are addicted to helping others in need. I think it makes us feel noble, so we are more likely to respond to someone who sounds as if they are hurting. I said one, to Chris P. I think, that one has to put out emotional hooks in callahans to get any notice. If you want to be noticed you WILL get noticed. It just is not as easy as before because Callahans is filling up. By the way, this group is getting pretty high on the cost per reader list on usenet. It is because there are not that many readers, but they post a lot. To be fair, I will tell you that I have not exactly received a huge amount of attention from the newcomers either. :-) It is a two way street that we all have to work at (drive on? I think I am mixing metaphors or something.) I do not worry about it too much. I just post what I feel, and I know that there are people who read the stuff and like it. Sometimes they tell me so. One trick that I might mention to the newcomers is to mention someone by name. That almost always gets them to notice you. :-). Also, try writing to someone via e-mail. I have grown very close to some people here who just took it upon themselves to write to me. >"I came from a large family and if you ask anyone who knew us it was >obvious that we had a multitude of problems. Alchoholism, Insanity, >You name it. I was one of the youngest in the family. Oddly enough I >wound up FAIRLY well adjusted, blocking out most of the ugliness. Of >course you wouldn't know this but with all the others screaming their >problems (and creating new ones) at the top of their lungs, no one >paid much attention to the quiet little girl in the corner untill the >beserker rages hit. To this day I have a problem with being ignored, >mostly I *HATE* it. Once I stood in a store at a make up counter and >waited for a clerk to wait on me. It took her fifteen minutes to see >me. (sip) I've grown accustomed and even accepted the fact that if >I'm not loud I'm not noticeable. But here at Callahan's I thought it >would be different. Do you realize how closed you sound to outsiders >looking in? I watched for a while before I spoke up and even then it >wasted the breath I used. I'm not flashily dressed, nor do I use >magics to stand out. I'm comfortable the way I am and if being >regular in here is unacceptable...... . . We _do_ sound closed. Not only to outsiders but to ourselves. One of my best e-mail buddies has told me a number of times that she does not think we interact enough with each other. She is right. We need to work at it. You will notice that not long ago, I just chose to be myself here and not a label. It is enough to be regular. Many of the people who have aliases just do it for fun, and they have no special powers here other that the power of words. Diana has said that being human is enough. It has to be. It is all we are. Your breath is not wasted, and I will talk to you if you want to talk despite the fact that I am near e-mail saturation. I know that being ingnored really sucks, and I remember being very pleased when I was noticed here on my first post. But that was a very long time ago when the members of this group could be counted on both hands and both feet. >Sorry, Mike. I'll find another watering hole. I cannot say that you will always get attention here. Hell, I don't and I work at getting attention. But if it is _important_ for you to talk to people, just sent e-mail, or post something and ask people to respond. We all have to be kicked sometimes, and I think it would serve a better purpose to have you kick us than to find another watering hole. Doug looks Hildy in the eyes very briefly and the looks to the side. That is the only kind of fuzzy I am likely to give. Stay and talk Doug sits down at a nearby table to give others room to talk. Path: mit-eddie!media-lab!snorkelwacker!apple!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hplabs!hpfcso!daq From: daq@hpfcso.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Son of Radio Free Colorado Message-ID: <9060064@hpfcso.HP.COM> Date: 14 Apr 90 04:04:29 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 42 OOOOOOOOOOOOOK! The last song we heard was 'When You're a Stranger' by The Doors. That one goes out to Caprice, because I know she's listening. Before that we heard 'Double Barrel Prayer' by Diamanda Gallas. What a scary lady she is. That song is about Aids, and the video for the song has Ms. Gallas in a freezing cold room rubbing blood all over herself. Definitely not images for the timid, and you aren't likely to see it on MTV. Before that, we heard the new one by Midnight oil, 'Blue Sky Mining Company.' I think that is the Ayn Rand record of the month selection. Ha ha. Well the traffic report shows that the freeways to our souls are moving nicely tonight, with just a bit of congestion on the soul mate off ramp. So I would recommend that you bypass that if you are heading downtown tonight and take the Lets Just Be Friends Expressway. No cat stories tonight people, but he is doing well and sends you all his love. Things are a little lonely here in the booth. I am surrounded by little green and red glowing things, and I can hear my own voice coming in over the monitor. Let's have some calls tonight. Come on people, tell me about your friends. What are their good points? Well, it is about time to move back to music, but before we do, I just want to remind everyone that the surgeon general has recommended frequent washing of hands to avoid that grimy buildup on computer terminal keys. Hey! Here's an old standard from Bauhaus. 'In the Flat Field.' ... I get bored. I do get bored. In the flat field.... Path: mit-eddie!media-lab!snorkelwacker!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!emd101 From: EMD101@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Son of Radio Free Colorado Message-ID: <90105.004538EMD101@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 15 Apr 90 04:45:38 GMT References: <9060064@hpfcso.HP.COM> Organization: Penn State University Lines: 15 Hello? Uh, yeah, is this Radio Free Colorado? Yeah. Uh, I heard somethin about the LJBF Expressway route. They have to detour around the Big Decision bridge, cause, um, it was like messed up over the weekend by arsonists. I think you like have to go around to the Figure It Out Later bridge. But they're like gonna do roadwork on it next week, so like I'm not sure what thay're gonna do about that, you know? Uh, yeah, and could you maybe play 'Elvis is Everywhere'? I think that line about the Bermuda Triangle is like really cool. Yeah, I think I read something about him getting seen in a bar out on the east coast. Pretty weird. Yeah well, okay, bye. Yeah, I'll keep an eye out. Bye. Path: mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!pt.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!ap1i+ From: ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Back to Normal (?) Message-ID: Date: 15 Apr 90 06:13:38 GMT References: <15317@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Organization: Class of '92, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 In-Reply-To: <15317@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> > Excerpts from netnews.alt.callahans: 13-Apr-90 Back to Normal (?) James > W. Birdsall@phoeni (3540) > {Although,} he says, looking puzzled, {I just recently went through > my first kiss experience, and wasn't impressed. It wasn't a horrible or > traumatic experience -- just a bit sloppy -- but it really wasn't > interesting, either. Until I get more data, I'm going to write it off as > a psychological-state effect due to the fact that I wasn't really > interested in her, either, but I'm curious as to whether anybody else > has encountered this phenomenon.} Yes. I can't claim immense reams of experience, but for me, pleasure in physical contact (of any sort) correlates with emotional closeness. (Correlates exponentially, even.) --Z Path: mit-eddie!media-lab!snorkelwacker!apple!arc!steve From: steve@arc.UUCP (Steve Savitzky) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Purrrr? (Hugs and so on) Message-ID: <888@arc.Advansoft.COM> Date: 15 Apr 90 07:49:31 GMT Sender: news@Advansoft.COM Distribution: alt Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 37 A large, reddish-brown cat materializes near Chris Phoenix, leaps into his lap, and purrs. "You know," Colleen's voice says, "We're not that far away. And most of the Wednesday crowd is touchable. Certainly the ones that appear on the net as furry creatures are fair game." The Medium-sized Teddybear, meanwhile, has appeared near the bar with the usual soft "pop". (The sound, by the way, is due to the difficulties in compensating for the displaced volume of a fuzzy object.) Transforming into Steve, he trades two singles for a Genever and a saucer of Bailey's. He leaves the saucer where the cat can reach it, and drifts over to Thalen's vicinity. "Sorry to hear you didn't make it to Carleton in your visiting; I liked it a lot. Nice to hear from somebody who at least knows about it, though. Any other Carls out there lurking in the shadows?" He goes up to a likely-looking window and peers out. A thin piping sound is heard, and a huge greenish visage with tentacles where its mouth should be looms vaguely through the mist. With a shudder (some of them ARE called for!) Steve pulls a curiously-carved stone from his pocket and places it on the window-sill. "Uh, wrong window. I know we say everybody's welcome here, but there *are* limits. Lurkers, indeed!" He finds Jilara, and says, "Sorry we missed the gathering at the White Cockade. We were there a little after Noon and they weren't open, so we drove on down to Felton and had lunch in the Tyrolean Inn (quite a good German restaurant). When we came back from that the WC still wasn't open, and Katy was getting bored and tired, so we went on home. Grump. Maybe next time." He yawns. "Speaking of getting tired, I see the Cat's already asleep. Maybe it's time to go." -- \ Steve Savitzky \ Grand Central Starport \ REAL hackers use an AXE! \ steve@arc.UUCP \ 343 Leigh Avenue \ #include \ arc!steve@apple.COM \ San Jose, CA 95128 \ h:408-294-6492 w:727-3357 \__________________________________________________________________________ Path: mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!husc6!m2c!wpi!johndunk From: johndunk@wpi.wpi.edu (John Dunkelberg) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Happiness... Summary: Oh my... Good Luck Austin Message-ID: <11663@wpi.wpi.edu> Date: 15 Apr 90 05:58:15 GMT References: Reply-To: johndunk@wpi.wpi.edu (John Dunkelberg) Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester ,MA Lines: 32 In article austin@bucsf.bu.edu (Austin H. Ziegler, III) writes: >You see, she met someone else just before she met me. And when >she found that she liked me, she (rightly) said she just can't dump the >other guy. The worst part is that Ron and I are good friends. Well, we >came upon a setup: she will date us (both of us), and choose between us. >Right now, (in my biased opinion) I think I'm the best 'candidate' but if >she should choose Ron, I'm very willing to back out. I'm keeping my >fingers crossed." > >austin Austin, It looks like this could be a real stresser. I am afraid that is you really care for this woman, then it may rip you and Ron apart. Making a contest of love can be a terrible thing. Look at a divorced couple and how they can vie for the affection and respect of their children. You may all three regret it. As an alternative, how 'bout trying to go to things as a threesome, as friends rather than prospective lovers. Put this competition behind you. Maybe you will have a chance to learn familiarity with one another, rather than Ron w/her and You w/her. I know that this will foster much problems as well, if strong feelings arise. But hey, if no resolution comes with it, there are those lucky groups surviving group intimate relationships.... Good Luck -Fare thee well -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | John Dunkelberg The world of dew is, yes, a world of dew, | | johndunk@wpi.wpi.edu | But even so -Isa | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!apple!usc!rutgers!ucsd!nosc!crash!simpact!jeh From: jeh@dcs.simpact.com Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Another newcomer. Message-ID: <1154.2627d1d2@dcs.simpact.com> Date: 15 Apr 90 09:43:46 GMT Organization: Simpact Associates, San Diego CA Lines: 26 Another newcomer. He hasn't been hanging around outside for very long. But he didn't walk right into the Place, either. He's maybe a bit under six feet tall. Not overweight, nor what you'd call muscular. His clothes are casual, but not too casual; he probably owns just one pair of jeans, and those are for working on the car and such. There are laugh lines, but he isn't laughing now. He approaches the bar and asks for MacAllan Scotch. He finds a chair, comfortably close to a corner, but not really in it. He perks up and grins when he notices the dance corner... That wasn't in the stories! Maybe later. You get the idea that, though he's certainly on the shy side, he's a raving extrovert compared to himself, oh, as little as three or four years ago. He'll be here for a while. For now he just wants to watch and grow comfortable with the Place. A conversation or three would be fine right now, and he might even initiate one, but public statements will come later. Not "much later", but not right now, either. But already he knows that he likes the Place. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Simpact Associates, San Diego CA Internet: jeh@dcs.simpact.com, or if that fails, jeh@crash.cts.com Uucp: ...{crash,scubed,decwrl}!simpact!jeh Path: mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!rln From: rln@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Daffner) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Another newcomer. Message-ID: <9692@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: 15 Apr 90 16:11:30 GMT References: <1154.2627d1d2@dcs.simpact.com> Reply-To: rln@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Daffner) Organization: Purdue University Lines: 33 In article <1154.2627d1d2@dcs.simpact.com> jeh@dcs.simpact.com writes: >You get the idea that, though he's certainly on the shy side, he's a raving >extrovert compared to himself, oh, as little as three or four years ago. > Cuyahoga raises his glass and speaks: "Yes, I know where you're coming from. I have the same sort of problem, if you want to call it that. I used to have problems associating with anyone. Now it seems to show itself when I get a good impression of a group, like here, when I first walked in. Anyways, when I try to be a bit more extroverted, is surprises people and becom,es sort of a defense. At any rate, come on, sit down. Us shy extroverts have to stick together, y'know ;->." "Mike, I'll have a Mountain Dew, and get whatever for Jamie here. " He accepts the drink, flips Mike two dollar coins and makes a toast, as he should: "To ... No, that's not right..... For... nope, not that...... Hell, To friends, calahans, and ..ummmm... sleep! The three most important things in the world." ::CRASH:: (Cuyahoga also notes that he can be found as Slyguy on Islandia, TinyHELL, and a few minor MUDs, if you don't know, just ask.) -- Larry Daffner ----> rln@mentor.cc.purdue.edu tcsh% Larry | "This must be Thursday," said Arthur, Illegal reality error(core dumped) |"I never could get the hang of Thursdays" tcsh% | -Douglas Adams, HHGTG.