Path: mit-eddie!rutgers!njin!princeton!phoenix!jmdoyle From: jmdoyle@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jennifer Doyle) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: doubt Message-ID: <12756@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Date: 7 Jan 90 05:48:49 GMT References: <11631@csli.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: jmdoyle@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jennifer Mary Doyle) Organization: or, conversely, Chaos: Lines: 39 Chris, after reading your article (and through my limited experience, and my general optimism) I may have an answer. I'm not referring to your article at all, because my answer is none of the above. Imagine this situation: You and Ina are very happy together. You have fun with one another, you like going out. (Have I got it right?) She goes home for break and tells her parents about you. They put their foot down. They will not have their daughter getting serious with someone who isn't Hindu. She is upset, because she likes you. But, (and this is important) she decides to abide by their wishes. You both come back from break, and she tells you. You are nice about it, you take it well. The two of you continue to spend time together, which she finds difficult. She is seemingly angry with you, and breaks things off entirely. She wants to see you, but it is too hard for her. She cannot be friends, as that would be too much of a strain. She looks for reasons not to like you, to make herself think that you were the reason she ended the relationship. She does this to make her self feel better, so she doesn't have conflicting emotions. (Cognitive dissonance, I learned it in Social Psych) How does this explanation sound? Valid? It would (I think) fit in with what you've said. Do I think you should go after her? No. If she is going to come back, it will be her decision. If I'm right, coming back will mean bucking her parents. That's not easy for everyone. Just remember, this is only my view, and isn't necessarily correct. A sort-of aside: Your friend Steve sounds a lot like Richard Bach's man in armor in _The Bridge Across Forever_. Steve has an important difference, though. He's a separate person. You can distance him. You don't need that much negativity in your life. Again, just an opinion. I hope all of this helps... Jen -- "Make mine a root beer, Mike. Thanks. To communication! " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Doyle // Princeton '92 // jmdoyle@phoenix.princeton.edu Disclaimer: I am a student, I represent the future. Path: mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!think!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!elroy!cosc5sh From: cosc5sh@elroy.uh.edu (Unbeliever) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Good News Message-ID: <5318.25a6b143@elroy.uh.edu> Date: 7 Jan 90 09:02:26 GMT Organization: The Land Lines: 50 The Unbeliever rises and clears his throat. Heads turn. Unbeliever is holding a glass in his half-hand, which he raises as if in toast. His white gold ring makes contact with the glass, and starts to glow. Brighter, brighter... The glass drifts out of his grasp, and floats across the room, settling down in front of a pillow whose occupant has but recently returned. Those glancing back to Unbeliever notice that he holds another, similar glass, although it hadn't been there a second before. Unbeliever grins. "To the beautiful Tabbifli! Welcome back; your presence was sorely missed." "The glass is magical," the Unbeliever continues with a wink, "It will contain a glassful of whatever you wish, so long as what you wish it to be is eggnog!" "I'm sure I speak for all of us when I express my hope that your pain has been lessened by the holidays, and by the new decade at hand." He raises his glass in salute, and gulps his own eggnog greedily. "Actually, I have some new hope for myself, that I'd like to share with the regulars here at Callahan's. You see, a few days ago, I discovered my academic salvation, in the form of another nearby university. UH has, over the course of four long years, beaten me into mental submission. I have become almost a zombie, wandering aimlessly in a frantic, hopeless quest to gain credits towards a piece of sheepskin. But this other university will accept almost all the credits I've earned, require very little that UH didn't require, and offer me a far better chance at a meaningful career upon graduation. On top of all this, it will allow me to start over with a clean slate GPA-wise, and it will have MUCH smaller classes, and superior instructors, to help me make sure my GPA doesn't fall to the same depths it has attained at UH. The name of this godsend? Why, the University of Houston -- Clear Lake. I shall continue attending UH through the coming semester, take a few courses from a community college over the summer (during which time I will still have this account; you aren't getting rid of me THAT easily), and begin UHCL in the Fall. UHCL has VAXes much like those I use here at UH, and I think it has access to NEWS as well (can anyone verify this? Have any of you seen an address of "UHCL#" where the # is a number from 1 to 6? I'd really like to know)! It'll be another two years after THAT before I graduate, but when I do, it'll be with a respectable GPA and a good choice of jobs." Unbeliever finishes his eggnog (all that talking made his mouth dry), and hurls his glass into the fireplace. *CRASH* "Maybe -- at last -- a light at the end of the tunnel!" Be True... -=*> Unbeliever <*=- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |InterNet: cosc5sh@elroy.uh.edu UUCP:...texbell!uhnix1!elroy.uh.edu!cosc5sh | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Path: mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!njin!princeton!phoenix!jmdoyle From: jmdoyle@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jennifer Mary Doyle) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Hello Message-ID: <12757@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Date: 7 Jan 90 06:11:34 GMT References: <561@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> Reply-To: jmdoyle@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jennifer Mary Doyle) Organization: or, conversely, Chaos: Lines: 67 In article <561@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> pjc@r1.UUCP (Peter Crowther (CAG ra)) writes: >"Is it madness to want a different world? What I would call a better >world? Is it madness to want to see people on the streets able to get a >roof over their heads and food in their mouths? To see the old, who >have seen their savings wither before their eyes, able to heat a room >to be in? To see people able to walk outside, alone, in daylight or >after dark?" No, indeed, it isn't. Especially walking after dark, that being the one I've had a bit of self-experience with. Being a female college student is *not* conducive to walking alone at night, therefore I don't do it, or very rarely, at least. When I do, I am paranoid, and always looking around, ready to fight off whoever comes at me. It is not a feeling I enjoy. At 5'11'' I am probably taller than many assailants, yet I still feel fairly helpless. Grrr. >"I dunno... sometimes I think I'm mad to even talk about it. You see, I >feel like a dual personality. There's me, looking out through my eyes, >and then there's this other part of me that spends all its time looking >down on me from a point about six inches above and a foot behind my >head. That's the one that's continually whispering 'What did you do >that for? Idiot, baring your soul like that. Why smile at him/her? >There's no point, and it just makes you stick out from the crowd. >You're an idiot. You know nobody's going to read this far in the >message, and nobody'll respond to it even if they do read it, so what's >the point in sending it? What's the point? What's the point?' You get >the idea." Ah, think positively. I'm here, and responding, aren't I? :-) That dual personality bit also rings a bell. Sometimes I think I've got this little demon inside of me, thinking up all the bad that could happen to me, convincing me not to study, but to do other stuff instead, telling me I'll never meet my soulmate, never get anywhere in life, end up in a boring job after college, assuming I make it through... Bleah! That's the person you have to learn to ignore, the unrealistic pessimist side of you. >"Maybe I should go see a shrink. But then my other half whispers 'Why? >He'll only laugh at you behind your back. What's the point? Keep your >head down'. So I'm stuck. And in order to go into that cruel outside >world, I put a mask up. I laugh, I joke, I make lousy puns, I'm >incredibly cynical, I'm very rarely nasty or rude to anyone and I'm >slowly going mad. Anybody got any good ideas?" Yes. Try to drop the mask, at least here. Ignore that other half. It is not half of you, it is separate, and trying to take over half of you, at least. >Shoulders down, Peter returns to his rocking chair and starts running >his left hand along the guitar frets. With an obvious effort of will, >he rouses himself and drags the chair (along with guitar and amp) over >to a convenient table. >All he needs now is someone to talk to. Hi, I'm Jen. I've decided that anyone who plays guitar and has an English accent (did I mention I *love* English accents?) can't be all bad. :-) Do you know any James Taylor, per chance?... Mike, some tea please, the traitorous way - with milk and sugar both. Ah, soothing to the throat and against the cold. "To guitars, especially the Lady, and the dissolving of masks!" Jen -- "Make mine a root beer, Mike. Thanks. To communication! " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Doyle // Princeton '92 // jmdoyle@phoenix.princeton.edu Disclaimer: I am a student, I represent the future. Path: mit-eddie!mintaka!yale!shadooby!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!rutgers!shelby!csli!cphoenix From: cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU (Chris Phoenix) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: doubt Message-ID: <11635@csli.Stanford.EDU> Date: 7 Jan 90 16:56:19 GMT References: <11631@csli.Stanford.EDU> <12756@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Sender: cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU (Chris Phoenix) Reply-To: cphoenix@csli.stanford.edu (Chris Phoenix) Organization: Center for the Study of Language and Information, Stanford U. Lines: 94 In article <12756@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> jmdoyle@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jennifer Mary Doyle) writes: >You and Ina are very happy together. You have fun with one another, you like >going out. (Have I got it right?) She goes home for break and tells her parents >about you. They put their foot down. ... >She cannot be friends, as that would be too much of a strain. It's possible, given what I said, but I don't think it's too likely. She didn't mention her parents at all, and I'm pretty sure she would have if they'd been the problem. I don't remember too well, but I'm not even sure she told them about me. After giving it a lot more thought, I'm pretty sure I have the answer. I didn't love her. I think I would have, if I'd had more time, but I'd only known her about 5 weeks. She'd known me about 10--we shared a class, and she noticed me immediately, but I didn't notice her till she sent me the e-mail. Anyway, she fell in love with me, and tried to convince herself that the feeling was reciprocated. When she realized that it wasn't, she didn't want to admit (to herself, or to me?) that she had fallen for a guy who didn't love her (*yet*, dammit) and so she lashed out at me. Or else she realized what had happened, but still thought I was taking advantage of her. Or else... Does this sound plausible? A couple other maybe-important things: She mentioned several different days that she wanted to see old movies. We didn't have access to a TV/VCR. I always said something like "That sounds like fun." It's possible that she wanted me to arrange everything so that she could see the movies, and got mad when I didn't. But she doesn't really go for "dating" in the conventional sense, and would probably just ask me instead of hinting if that's what she wanted. I don't think this one is important, but I just can't tell. One that probably is important: The day before, my parents had been driving me up to her place. I told her I'd be in my office starting around 2 or 3. Well, we didn't get there till about 5:30. I'd tried to call a couple of times, but the phone was busy. She told me that she had been really worried about me, and that she started imagining highway accidents whenever things like that happened, and would I please call next time, and I shouldn't have done that to her. I told her yes, sorry, I didn't know what I was doing, next time I'll try a lot harder to call in advance. Hypothesis: This is the point at which she started to realize she didn't want to have anything to do with me. Maybe while she was dwelling on how bad I was for not calling her, she started to think about all the other nasty things I'd done to her, and when she put them all together she didn't like me any more. Maybe while she was worrying about me, she realized how strong her feelings really were for me, and felt that they were too strong and she had to stop it before she got trapped. Maybe from her point of view it really was such a horrible thing, that in combination with my rudeness in asking for her grade twice just irrevocably pissed her off. I don't think this last is true. At least not the part about asking for her grade. I'm pretty sure that she was just using that as an excuse to pick a fight. On the other hand, in the past she hadn't accepted me wanting to know about her life very well. I thought that if you cared about someone it was OK to want to know how they were doing, but she couldn't seem to get the concept of why I was prying into her life. If we'd been strangers I would have been prying, but I don't see how she could fail to understand that if I care about someone, I want to know at least to a small extent how they're doing. I didn't try to dig all her secrets out-- just things like "will you have to take the class again." This is one of the things that makes me think her story might be true--that from her point of view I really had done that many terrible things. If her viewpoint weren't so foreign I wouldn't believe her, but now I just don't know. I should mention at this point that although her parents are both Indian, she's lived in the US for probably close to half of her life. >A sort-of aside: Your friend Steve sounds a lot like Richard Bach's man in >armor in _The Bridge Across Forever_. Steve has an important difference, >though. He's a separate person. You can distance him. You don't need that much >negativity in your life. Again, just an opinion. I don't know the reference. Can you explain? There are several reasons why I don't distance myself from Steve. First, he is a friend. Also, he is no more negative than society. In fact, he is a pretty good representative of several of the aspects of society, at least the society here among the students. He has perfected his mask. He knows a lot of the social rules--explicitly, not just implicitly like most people. So he can help me learn them (I think it's important to learn them, though *not* to build them in), and he can give me practice in dealing with society. I would much rather deal with it where I can see exactly what I'm dealing with than by trial and error. Steve says that I am exactly what he was two years ago. Personally, I can't see it--I can't see myself becoming like him in only two years. But if he's right, it's one more example of how dangerous the social rules are. That's the other thing. Everything he's said that is testable has been right. Whether or not I like his attitudes, if they are correct I had better learn to deal with them. -- Chris Phoenix | A harp is a nude piano. cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU | "More input! More input!" Life is the only game in which the object of the game is to learn the rules. Disclaimer: I want a kinder, gentler net with a thousand pints of lite. Path: mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!LONDON.EE.CORNELL.EDU!yho From: yho@LONDON.EE.CORNELL.EDU (Yue-shun E. Ho) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Hoping to hear from you Message-ID: <9001072011.AA20973@london.EE.CORNELL.EDU> Date: 7 Jan 90 20:11:33 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Lines: 18 "Thanks everyone at Callahans for the past two weeks. After spending my vacation alone since xmas eve's day, I am now heading for a real vacation to the Boston and San Francisco areas for fun and for job hunting. If anyone there would like to have a chat or meet with me, please send me an e-mail to my address below. I should be able to login while at Boston. (Sorry I don't want to list any phone number here since I'll be moving around and hopping between houses throughout my vacation, and it will be a long list.) I look forward to hearing from you." He throws his empty glass to the fireplace and in less than a second, he moves to the door and disappears. In an hour's time, he reappears in the Ithaca Airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yue-shun E. Ho yho@ee.cornell.edu 201 Maple Ave, #E30, Ithaca, New York, USA 14850-4903 +1 607 273 7214 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Xref: mit-eddie alt.callahans:665 rec.arts.sf-lovers:35912 Path: mit-eddie!bloom-beacon!shelby!apple!rutgers!njin!princeton!phoenix!sksircar From: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Kumar Sircar) Newsgroups: alt.callahans,rec.arts.sf-lovers Subject: More books by Spider Message-ID: <12766@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Date: 7 Jan 90 20:21:34 GMT References: <1989Dec19.192010.3800@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> <45006@bu-cs.BU.EDU> <235@sixhub.UUCP> <12664@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Reply-To: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar) Followup-To: alt.callahans Organization: SPAMIT Lines: 49 In case anyone is interested, here is a most complete listing of Spider Robinson's books, taken from Books in Print and some old net archives I just found... Callahan Series books (all collections of short stories) Callahan's Crosstime Saloon [1977] Time Travellers Strictly Cash [1981] Callahan's Secret [1986] Callahan and Co. (a compilation of the above three) [1988] Callahan's Crazy Crosstime Bar (abr. version of Callahan and Co) [1989] Callahan's Lady [1989] {Below is reprinted from the recent posting, and is the only case where I have more complete information.} >>>>>>>>From: mcmullan@eddie.mit.edu (Greg McMullan) Callahan's Crosstime Saloon ISBN 0-441-090403-5, published by Ace Books, 192 pages, 1989, paperback $2.95 Time Travelers Strictly Cash ISBN 0-441-80713-5, published by Ace Books, 208 pages, 1989, paperback $3.50 Callahan's Secret ISBN 0-425-10059-6, published by Berkeley Publishers, 192 pages, 1986, paperback $2.95 Callahan's Lady ISBN 0-441-09073-3, published by Ace Books, hardback $16.95 >>>>>>> Series: Mindkiller [1982] Time Pressure [1987] Telempath [1976] Armageddon 2419 AD [1978] Antimony [1980] Night of Power [1985] Melancholy Elephants [1984,1985] (collection of stories) Stardance [1979] (with Jeanne Robinson) -- Subrata K. Sircar, Prophet & Charter Member of SPAMIT(tm) sksircar@phoenix.princeton.edu SKSIRCAR@PUCC.BITNET BUSH SENDS 500 MPs TO STOP VIRGINS LOOTING - New York Daily News LEBANESE CHIEF LIMITS ACCESS TO PRIVATE PARTS - The Daily Iowan Path: mit-eddie!rutgers!njin!princeton!phoenix!jmdoyle From: jmdoyle@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jennifer Doyle) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: doubt Message-ID: <12769@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Date: 7 Jan 90 21:27:34 GMT References: <11631@csli.Stanford.EDU> <12756@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <11635@csli.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: jmdoyle@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jennifer Mary Doyle) Organization: or, conversely, Chaos: Lines: 14 This is specifically not emailed, as I have a feeling many people out there should get to know this author. Richard Bach, perhaps better known as the author of _Jonathan Livingston Seagull_ but also author of _One_, _Illusions_, and _The Bridge Across Forever_. He is extremely good, and comes highly recommended. His books are beautiful, and fun, and thought provoking. Plus, they're all out in paperback. :-) Give him a try, I think you'll like him. Jen -- "Make mine a root beer, Mike. Thanks. To communication! " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Doyle // Princeton '92 // jmdoyle@phoenix.princeton.edu Disclaimer: I am a student, I represent the future. Path: mit-eddie!rutgers!usc!samsung!uunet!crdgw1!sixhub!davidsen From: davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (Wm E. Davidsen Jr) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: doubt Message-ID: <386@sixhub.UUCP> Date: 7 Jan 90 21:30:25 GMT References: <11631@csli.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: davidsen@sixhub.UUCP (bill davidsen) Organization: *IX Public Access UNIX, Schenectady NY Lines: 39 In article <11631@csli.Stanford.EDU> cphoenix@csli.stanford.edu (Chris Phoenix) writes: | Can anyone give me any reason to think that Steve isn't right? The world is filled with people who are permanent jerks because they are self centered, and those who act like jerks because they a confused or insecure. If you wear a mask you will get along better with these people. If you are yourself, you will get along with people who can be themselves, too. Your friend may have arrived at the right conclusion, by not understanding the situation and using bad logic. This relationship *is* a learning experience for you. That doesn't make him right about it being doomed from the start, or justifying a mask, or any of the other whale oil you mentioned he was spouting. He *better* learn from your experiences, both good and bad. Don't let someone tell you that you should learn to be a phoney, but realize that you may have been inept as an honest person. Learn from it, and try to see what you did wrong, and realize that she may not have been all of the "warm fuzzy things" that a relationship may lead you to believe. Don't settle for less that you deserve. I you want to wear a mask you will deserve much less than if you are open. A mask both protects you from getting hurt and restricts your perception of the world. The open people are a minority, you will have less chance of finding an instant relationship with an open person than if you settle for a mask. You can go for quick, low risk, low satisfaction relationships, or take a chance on getting hurt, waiting a while to find the right person, and then finding a relationship which can be built into the bright point of your life. Just remember that you get better returns on the lottery than pitching pennies. I hope you will decide that the risk is worth it, be open, and hold out for the best. -- bill davidsen - sysop *IX BBS and Public Access UNIX davidsen@sixhub.uucp ...!uunet!crdgw1!sixhub!davidsen "Getting old is bad, but it beats the hell out of the alternative" -anon Path: mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!ULKYVX.BITNET!cfcohe01 From: cfcohe01@ULKYVX.BITNET (Rose Delckum) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Dazed and Confused Message-ID: <7cfcohe01@ULKYVX.bitnet> Date: 7 Jan 90 22:41:00 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 78 It's getting to be late, on a Sunday night, as the door to Callahans opens and a lone figure slowly enters. "Hi Mike. Hi fellas. Got any Jamaican Ginger Beer? Really? Like wow. I'm impressed. I suppose I should have it in a glass or a mug for tradition's sake, huh?" She picks up the glass and drains it, wincing at the strong taste. Then, slowly walking to the line on the floor, she tosses the glass into the fireplace, which it nearly misses. "To the weirdos of the world--may we all do something, I don't know what. I wish I could think of something profound, but I'm not so good at that stuff. Anyhow, to quote a bumper sticker--"Why be normal"? Or words to that effect." "I guess that's what this introduction is all about. Normalcy. Conformity. Fitting in. See, I've never been too good at that stuff. My parents were always real big on discipline, and I wasn't allowed to get out of line. I wasn't abused or anything like that. At least not physically. My parents didn't approve of any of the kids in the neighborhood, they were too "wild", so I didn't have any friends growing up. I just read a lot--your classic bookworm I guess. When I got into school, I was too shy to make friends easily. And I was in a special program for advanced students, so I went to a new school practically every two years, so what few friends I made I lost touch with quickly. At some point I gave up. I always had my books. I guess I grew up really shy and insecure. I was always sure people were laughing at me. I wore thick glasses (still do) and was on the plump side (still am--to computer buddies I use the adjective "voluptuous"--has a better connotation :-)) and to top things off I hit puberty early and was wearing a bra when I was 10! I thought a lot about suicide. When I was 12 I pulled myself out of that, but I was still depressed and insecure. I made friends in high school, but was never really secure about how real and honest their friendship was. I guess the problem came from the differences between reality and books. I didn't know what to do, or how to act. I was never asked out on a date. Then my senior year, my best friend since fifth grade (who I'd had a crush on since then) revealed he loved me. I figured it was just like all the books and movies--I'd known it had to happen eventually. I grew more secure, more confident, and began to get involved with things. Then, he dumped me. He told me it had all been a mistake, he hadn't loved me at all. Naturally I was crushed. I thought about suicide, more as a way of revenge than anything else (I've got a melodramatic streak a mile long). Then, about a month before prom (which we were supposed to go to together) he announced he was taking a 13 year old freshman (this after standing up in the lunchroom and announcing in front of most of the senior class that he was asking me to prom). People wouldn't look at me, they seemed embarrassed for me. They'd start discussing plans for that night in class, then look at me and suddenly stop. I ended up spending my prom night with my friend Barbie. We went to McDonalds and saw "Short Circuit". Whoopee. Obviously, I was back to being more insecure than ever. Well, I went to college and met my current man. I've improved a lot--still not too good at making friends, but I'm learning. I guess ]the point is I've always been sort of a misfit, and felt it deeply. I'm now 21, and finally a senior in college. Still have a couple of years to go now. But I have problems dealing with "ordinary" people. I'm a female, but I'm a major redneck. I drive a 1985 Trans-Am with t-tops and a 5.0 engine (my boyfriend calls it the "redneck dream car"). I hate kids. I read SF, Fantasy, and Horror, and collect comic books. I watch soap operas, and keep tapes of them! In short, I'm a little different from your stereotypical female. And I don't know what to do with my life. I feel aimless, like I'll never find something that's right for me. I wonder if such a thing even exists. I wonder how I'll survive in the "real world". I don't know, I guess I'm just rambling. But I just feel so... disconnected, so aimless...so _different_ from other people I see. I don't know what to do with my life, and I guess I just needed to get that off my chest. Thanks for being there. Oh, and as for my toast--let me amend it--"Here's to the oddballs of the world, especially Spider Robinson!" Rose PS My process name is supposed to be "Dazed and Confused" for obvious reasons--haven't got around to changing it yet! Path: mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!clotho!flynn From: flynn@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Kevin Lincoln Flynn) Newsgroups: alt.callahans Subject: Re: Richard Bach (was Re: doubt) Message-ID: <7-LFP#@rpi.edu> Date: 7 Jan 90 23:39:17 GMT References: <11631@csli.Stanford.EDU> <12756@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <11635@csli.Stanford.EDU> <12769@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Reply-To: kgh@pawl.rpi.edu (Kevin Lincoln Flynn) Organization: The Voice of Fate Lines: 25 In article <12769@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Jennifer Mary Doyle writes: > Richard Bach, perhaps better known as the >author of _Jonathan Livingston Seagull_ but also author of _One_, _Illusions_, >and _The Bridge Across Forever_. He is extremely good, and comes highly >recommended. His books are beautiful, and fun, and thought provoking. Ditto. If you like books that make you think, have something to say about life, and aren't eight thousand pages long or written in some stilted holier- than-thou hard-to-read tone, you will most likely like Bach's work. _Jonathan Livingston Seagull_ and _Illusions_ are two of the most staggeringly great books that I've ever read and are both under 200 pages, I think. And they both have something good to say about life (to me anyway). > Jennifer Doyle // Princeton '92 // jmdoyle@phoenix.princeton.edu >Disclaimer: I am a student, I represent the future. -------------------- I have replaced my reply-to with a known good address; if you want to help me debug, cc to flynn@acm.rpi.edu. Kevin Lincoln Flynn flynn@acm.rpi.edu, userfwvl@mts.rpi.edu 113 9th Street H (518) 272-0048 W (518) 447-8561 Troy, NY 12180 ...Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they're yours.